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</html>";s:4:"text";s:24647:"Anyone know the scoop on this Springfield that is marked 'NATL ORD'? $19.99. $162.50. 1903 1903a3 Springfield Bushing For The Trigger Guard Screw New Old Stock . Product liability laws, etc. :D. M1903A3's are low risk. Joined: Dec 29, 2006 Messages: 10,684 Location: Alabama. Perplexed Sharpshooter. National Ordnance was the predecessor to Federal Ordnance. Gallery. Ordnance Quality Control: One of the unique things about the U.S. GI carbines and their parts is the manufacturing standards applied to every manufacturer so all of the parts would be interchangeable, no matter who manufactured them. My question is is the 03 action whethter it be National Ordinance or Springfield, is it suitable for that round. For those not aware of the controversy surrounding them, the National Ordnance 1903 was made using surplus parts on a cast steel receiver. Ordnance … I worked 6 days a week and 12 -15 hours each. 1903 development based on captured Spanish M-95 Mausers. ... and shoot accurately, it is worth the value of the USGI parts. Although a less than desireable substitute for original 03 receivers, the Nat. National Ordnance was a predecessor to Federal Ordnance I believe. Lot's of discussion one answer. some say, they are ok to shoot...i say the are very unsafe... i posted a comment to this on another part of the milsurps forum. parts. There is much debate over the safety of these rifles. This is by far the cleanest looking 1903A3 I have ever seen an I really did not know what the significance of the National Ordinance recieved was until after the deal was done. This National Ordnance Model 1903A3 is a bolt action rifle chambered in 30-06. were still awaited rise activist federal judiciary. National Ordnance sold their M1 carbines with these barrels for a number of months. Seller Description. I recently purchased a fantastic condition National Ordnance 1903a3 from a local shop. … 'Scant'-style stock. Join Date: Jan 2004. recognized the folly of the foregoing, and on August 11, 1943 reinstated serial number control. I own 2 beautiful M-1 Garands, and just recently bought a 1903A3 ( which I have not had the privilege to shoot yet. I have a National Ordnance Carbine that I purchased in Cali some 30 years ago. 08-28-2004, 05:22 AM #12: Rick the Librarian. And the second was complete firearms and receivers. The barrels cracked lengthwise along the channels for the slide, between the receiver and gas … It was officially adopted as a United States military bolt-action rifle on June 19, 1903, and saw service in World War I.It was officially replaced as the standard … Who, or what, are these rifles marked National Ordnance(?) 09-25-2019, ... Or used surplused 1903/1903A3 barrels with the gas system welded on. Mine's just fine... no ruptured or bulged cases and no case head separations. I plan to shoot the 1903a3 with commercial ammo or handloads that are equal or less than commercial pressures.....I will get the head space checked by a competent gunsmith and also buy go no go gauges.....should I see the head space increase....the gun will be sold to … The '03's were made using metallurgy state of the art circa 1903. There's no such thing as an improperly heat treated 1903A3 as they came from the manufacturer. A company named Golden State Arms built 1903 rifles using investment cast receivers made in Yugoslavia and surplus 1903 parts. Very risky, if you ask me. Have fun! The receiver was a casting National had made for the rifle as there were few, if any spare receivers at Remington after the war. View Full Version : Are all 1903-A3s safe to shoot (serial number wise)? The 03A3's came to the front in the early 40's. Senior Member . The receiver is cast, not forged, and generally, Santa Fe, Federal Ordnance, Golden State Arms, and National Ordnance 1903A3's are considered worth the sum of their GI parts. national ordnance model 1903a3 30-06-springfield bolt action rifle description: this is a national ordnance model 1903a3 30-06-springfield bolt action rifle the barrel is stamped “ra bomb 7-44” bore of the 24" two-groove barrel is bright, shiny and … Gunsmithing. Both were located in El Monte, California and Federal followed National's closing. Many features/failings common. The good news is they used USGI parts. Watch this American Rifleman "At The Range" video segment above to learn about the Remington manufactured M1903 and M1903A3 bolt-action rifles of World War 2. I sleep at night just fine. When firing any rifle, wear quality eye protection. There is considerable data out there on the Santa Fe/National Ordnance M1903A3 clones which feature a cast, rather than forged, receiver. As manufactured they are all correctly heat-treated and without exception are safe to shoot. How to Use Classifieds - PLEASE READ FIRST ! CZguy, Apr 14, 2010 #5. This included a prefixing program for duplicate SNs, but using a “Z” prefix, and then requiring the stamping machine be set … Double-Action Revolvers. Early 03's motor, not 03A3's, and this according to the what I read above, isn't either them, it's a National Ordnance copy. Other aspects of design intended to avoid patent issues. Other Handguns. I bought an '03 sporter for $175 and converted it into a 1903A4 clone - with C stock, Weaver 330 scope, redfield rings. Saw it at the pawn shop for $180 and they wouldn't budge on price. RIA M1903 370,000 range information/value? With a new to you rifle, go to a reputabe gunsmith and have the headspace , firing pin, etc. Ordnance are just fine to shoot. I bought an '03 sporter for $175 and converted it into a 1903A4 clone - with C stock, Weaver 330 scope, redfield rings. Several gun oriented firms including National Ordinance, purchased a great number of parts and set to building 1903-A3 rifles using investment cast receivers. Winchester USA 147-gr. Reciever marked "cal 30-06" and "model 1903A3" … Bought a 1917 Enfield instead for $220. This included a prefixing program for duplicate SNs, but using a “Z” prefix, and then requiring the stamping machine be set … Buy National Ordnance 1903 A3 .30-06 Springfield 1903A3 With Sling C&R OK: GunBroker is the largest seller of Bolt Action Rifles Rifles Guns & Firearms All: 887665905 As an example of the first couple years at National Ordnance, the first 1000 M1 carbines assembled by National Ordnance were with Winchester parts, Winchester barrels, and Winchester I cut stocks they purchased from Britain. iv been flaming these POS of a wanna be rifles for years, telling guys not to shoot them. 1944-Vintage 1903A3 At The Range: Factory Load : Velocity (fps) 100-Yard Accuracy (in.) Reloading & Wildcats. Markings on bottom of M1903 receiver? I recall a firm in the early 70's making 1903A3 Springfields on after market cast recievers as well as M1 carbines using mostly GI parts . It is no beauty but it is complete and seems to be in exellent condition. 1903 cone headed bolt/breech designed to give very reliable feeding. Established in the Tudor period, it had its headquarters in the Tower of London.Its primary responsibilities were 'to act as custodian of the lands, depots and forts required for the defence of the realm and its overseas possessions, and as the supplier of munitions and equipment to both the Army and the Navy'. 1903a3 made by national ordnance serial number 5013358 what year was it made in and how much is it worth? The U.S. had provided the parts and barrels to Britain as support for the U.S. M1 carbines also provided to Britain. National Ordinance 1903A3 User Name: Remember Me? I know it's not "the real McCoy" but this one was the … In addition to the above cautions, every firearm should be examined carefully before firing it. I have a National Ordnance 1903a3. Remington M1903 3,150,000 range questions? This rifle is in need of a stock. I recently saw a collector who listed his 03's and 03A3's and included as part of his grouping of firearms a National rifle. Another description was low alloy steels, or triple alloy steels. About 2,500 copies were assembled in … This is a used firearm and as such the buyer agrees to have this firearm checked … For those not aware of the controversy surrounding them, the National Ordnance 1903 was made using surplus parts on a cast steel receiver. Barrel marked R A over flaming bomb over 5-44. The only exception might be a refurbed welded drill rifle. Springfield Armory selected a small number of Model 1903A3 Remington and Smith Corona (SC) rifles four or six groove barrels for modification to National Match configuration to determine their suitability for competitive shooting prior to large scale … U.S. Having owned one defective National Ordnance … and the guy being a smart ars, posted some pics, of a A3 that failed. By newcastle in forum The Lee Enfield Knowledge Library Collectors Forum, By John Kepler in forum The Watering Hole OT (Off Topic) Forum, By chuckindenver in forum M1903/1903A3/A4 Springfield Rifle, By michaelxhacken in forum Milsurps General Discussion Forum, By Cantom in forum Milsurps General Discussion Forum. Federal Ordnance and National Ordnance, the first was the parts and ammo dept. NSSF's Ryan Cleckner shows you how to properly set up your rifle and scope combination so that it naturally aligns with your eye. He continued production of the M1 carbine, under the Alpine name. Slamfire Member. They are made from 8620 steel. Although a less than desireable substitute for original 03 receivers, the Nat. We do not test fire guns. Password: Rifles Misc All rifles not covered elsewhere! These companies manufactured rifles with surplus GI parts and new cast recievers. Both were located in El Monte, California and Federal followed National's closing. The price was in my “screw it - I’ll buy it” range: $250. Guns, Parts and Accessories Quick Shopper, WTS/WTB/WTT (Want to Sell, Buy or Trade) Forum, Appraisals, Fakery, Dispute Resolution & Mediation Forum, National Ordance 1903a3 Reciver, Are they safe to shoot, **** Guns, Parts and Accessories Quick Shopper ****, The Lee Enfield Knowledge Library Collectors Forum, The Semi-Automatic Bren LMG (Light Machine Gun), The Ross Rifle Knowledge Library Collectors Forum, M1 Garand/M14/M1A Picture of the Day Forum, Other Military Service Pistols and Revolvers, ~Angel~'s 'Match Making' Service (REPLY ONLY), Ammunition and Reloading for Old Milsurps. I had an interesting time fixing mine up. Several gun oriented firms including National Ordinance, purchased a great number of parts and set to building 1903-A3 rifles using investment cast receivers. The barrel is 17" long. Description: On consignment we have a National Ordnance 1903-A3 rifle in .30-06. One word of caution. [Archive] 1903a3 - National Ordnance CMP Bolt Action Rifles. Apr 26, 2013 #2. Marked National Ordnance and I think I recall a brief stint at 1911AA1's by them too in the mid 70's Might have been two separate enterprises though.. Just my two cents Be safe :cool _____ If there is anything else to keep in mind, keep it coming! The rear sight has dings in it, but they are … Up for auction is: a National Ordnance Model 1903A3. After WW2 (50's and 60's) some "M1903A3's" were assembled by private companies using aftermarket, foreign, cast metal receivers and GI parts for the rest. I recently saw a collector who listed his 03's and 03A3's and included as part of his grouping of firearms a National rifle. cast receivers were given a favorable report after a proof house test of three random receivers in 1963. Ord. Ord. Box 576 (mail) Camp Perry Training Site, Bldg #3 Port Clinton, Ohio 43452 Telephone: (419) 635-2141 FAX: (419) 635-2802 E … Gun is in very good condition. $9.95 . General Discussion. I have a National Ordanance 1903a3 action and would like to build a .257 roy. The Board of Ordnance was a British government body. 1903 1903a3 Springfield Striker Rod Remington New Old … Gas handling not 03/03-A3 strong suit. I'll try to summarize. $12.50. I recently purchased a fantastic condition National Ordnance 1903a3 from a local shop. The only known issue to note is some light surface oxidation on the bolt handle. Remington, maybe? The only part that's not USGI is the receiver. If a USGI receiver, yes. The 1903A3 would make a great addition to the gun safe of any military classics lover. national ordnance 1903 thanks for the reply. Ordnance was owned by a man by the name of John Arnold, I knew him slightly, just enough to say hello when I went to his businesses, At the time I was doing business with Nat Ord, I remember being told the receiver casting was being done … Dionysusigma Member. It has a 1943 USGI barrel on it and it is an absolute tack driver even with the cheap Korean 30-06. 05-26-2019, 02:39 PM. ... National Ordnance 6M 1903A3 info? There is considerable data out there on the Santa Fe/National Ordnance M1903A3 clones which feature a cast, rather than forged, receiver. Hopefully you didn't pay as much for that rifle as a USGI 1903 … upper handguard, but it died some years ago. This is kinda OT for a M1 Carbine thread, but I have a Nat'l Ordnance 1903A3 and I got it cheap. To test for brittleness, remove … During WWII these were called National Emergency (NE) steels. Velocity is the average of five rounds measured 15 feet from the guns muzzle with a PACT chronograph. Bore looked good, headspace was OK (I brought gauges),action was fulll of sand, finish was ugly. Eventually, the Ordnance Dept. cast receivers were given a favorable report after a proof house test of three random receivers in 1963. Joined: Apr 7, 2009 Location: Tulsa Rating 100%. Thanks Apr 26, 2013 #2. Looking at forum posts, there seems to be a general theme - someone asks if they’re decent and … For marksmanship training, competitions, National Matches, safety information and youth marksmanship. I have to echo the sentiments of one of earlier posters at the site linked to, poor guy might have gotten a "contussion". Those considering an 03 purchase should also be aware of Sante Fe and National Ordnance rifles. The 1903A3 by National Ordnance is a bolt action rifle chambered in .30-06 with a 5 round capacity. An additional 1000 … During WWII, however, the urgent need for rifles resulted in the rebuilding and reissuing of many “low-number” as well as “high-number” Springfields. The M1903 Springfield, formally the United States Rifle, Caliber .30-06, Model 1903, is an American five-round magazine fed, bolt-action service repeating rifle, used primarily during the first half of the 20th century.. From time to time ammunition will fail, especially older … Unfortunately we cannot tell exactly when this rifle was made so, … Please contact us with any questions, or for purchase options. Some dealers, whether decietfully or honestly … The rifle did a lot better than me. Indeed, National Ordnance used spare Remington parts left over from the war. The Remington barrel was made during WWII but is still strong & bright. Came … Posts: 18 I just found and purchased a National Ordinance '03 A3 at a gun show over the weekend. Manufactured by Remington Arms (RA) in 1943 and modified by the Springfield Armory in 1954 to National Match (NM) configuration. Paper Sighting Device Vtg Old M 1903 Springfield M1 Garand Carbine Sight Stock. Will try not use many words in reply. The 1903A3 displayed a lower level of detail work and finish--machine marks are obvious on the receivers and barrels--and they received a rough, Parkerized finish. This should make for a nice looking, hard hitting rifle. This National Ordnance 1903A3 is the perfect rifle for someone who wants a representative example of the WW2 issue Springfield 1903A3 rifle that they can shoot and enjoy. I have a national ordnance 1903a3 as well, bought it for a paltry sum and I haven't had it blow up when shooting lake city or m2 ball stuff. These were the only M1 carbine… I have heard some people say they are dangerous and dont shoot them and i have heard people say they have shot thousands of rounds in them with no … Is the documentation similar to Hatchers on the low number 1903 rifles, and available on the internet? Joined: Mar 27, 2003 Messages: 3,671 Location: Okay City. Built in the 1960's and early 1970's, these rifle were constructed with new commercially-made National Ordnance receivers and surplus U.S.G.I. Range Reports - Show us how good you are. /instantly jealous Dionysusigma, Apr 14, 2010 #6. "Never been fired" 303,000 range Rock Island information? A company named Golden State Arms built 1903 rifles using investment cast receivers made in Yugoslavia and surplus 1903 parts. Messages: 11,766 Likes Received: 2,391. Description: This is essentially a postwar copy of the Remington-manufactured 1903A3 rifle produced during World War 2. I recall a firm in the early 70's making 1903A3 Springfields on after market cast recievers as well as M1 carbines using mostly GI parts . ?? The action is tight but i have not checked the headspace as of yet. This rifle features a National Ordnance cast receiver with military walnut stock and buttplate, Remington barrel from June of 1944, and comes fitted with a leather sling. Especially for the technical article.. Fed Ord went out of business in the 1990s. They weren't deep enough for the full pistol grip of the Type C stock, so they were modified to allow a "scant" grip that was the … Most opinion is not to shoot these because of documented failures due to improperly heat treatment. Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm pretty new to 1903 rifles. I paid $600.00 for this Remington 1903A3 five years ago. The receiver is cast, not forged, and generally, Santa Fe, Federal Ordnance, Golden State Arms, and National Ordnance 1903A3's are considered worth the sum of their GI parts. checked just to make sure that everything is in order. I now there are probably better choices of actions but I like the nastalgia of the … More like "blindingly impressive" good deal. FMJ: 2819 : 2.13 : UMC 150-gr. 1903/A3/A4 rifles manufactured by Remington and 1903A3 rifles manufactured by Smith Corona are not affected and are considered safe to fire as long as they are inspected by a competent gunsmith as they should still be checked for proper headspace, bolt setback etc. While they may be good shooting, safe rifles, they … I'd load one round at a time during week nights, and shoot them all on Sunday . Are all 1903-A3s safe to shoot (serial number wise). I recently purchased one of these as a non-shooter parts source. Springfield 1903 Stock Sling Swivel Milled Marked Y. It is being sold as a project or gunsmith special.The bluing is 99%. S/N is 5001400. National Ordinance 03A3. LinkBack: Thread Tools: Display Modes: 01-26-2004, 21:01 #1: J-Bud54 . Natl Ord 1903A3 question I have come into possession of one of these rifles. National Ordnance 1903A3 Discussion in 'Military Surplus ... but was hoping someone here might have some ideas as to the safety. No collector value. It is NOT a USGI 1903A3, but rather a cast, commercial receiver with USGI parts attached...view them similarly to kit built rifles like FAL's and Century's CETME's, but done in the 60's. In September/October 1962, before production of the 1903A3 rifles commenced, the differences between Arnold and Penney regarding the future of National Ordnance motivated them to go their separate ways. The Model 1903A3 In 1942 a simple aperture rear sight replaced the complicated M1905 sight, and the rifle's designation became the U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model 1903A3. The price was in my “screw it - I’ll buy it” range: $250. Stock was a scant type with ugly varnish and a painted black handguard. National Ordnance was a predecessor to Federal Ordnance I believe. It has a 1943 USGI barrel on it and it is an absolute tack driver even with the cheap Korean 30-06. The safety of these rifles is suspect and they hold almost no collector value except the sum of the GI parts they were put together with. Ordnance are just fine to shoot. Yeah it doesn't have a stripper clip guide and it's not exactly pretty like a govt built one but it's not bad for being 300ish bucks. They used cast receivers that varied widely in quality (dimensions and heat treatment). And weren't many barrels for rebuilds supplied by Johnson Automatics ("JA" stamp at the muzzle), or am I thinking of M1917s? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm pretty new to 1903 rifles. Both were located in South El Monte, CA. Most opinion is not to shoot these because of documented failures due to improperly heat treatment. Really nice shape, mechanically, used to have plastic(?) Penney took the Alpine name, all of the personnel that had been National Ordnance, the M1 Garands, and moved to a different facility at 964 W Foothill Blvd in Azusa. I'll try to summarize. Some say they're fine, others say they're dangerous. There were thousands of stock blanks that had been sized for the old straight stock. Marked National Ordnance and I think I recall a brief stint at 1911AA1's by them too in the mid 70's Might have been two separate enterprises though.. Just my two cents Be safe :cool _____ recognized the folly of the foregoing, and on August 11, 1943 reinstated serial number control. In view of the safety risk, the Ordnance Department withdrew from active service all “low-number” Springfields. Some of their receivers were heat treated to be brittle as glass. The action is smooth. Not know number equal to many. During repeated firing, the barrels "blew up". CMP Forums > CMP Sales > CMP Bolt Action Rifles ... "Buyer is solely responsible for determining that a used gun is safe to shoot. (for those not aware, it was a parts gun built on GI surplus parts with a foreign made receiver and assembled on El Monteray, CA) On the basis of my examination the "do not shoot… Collecting aside, the .30 caliber carbine M1 is just plain fun to shoot, for some of the same reasons it was popular during WWII. The Nat. NATIONAL ORDNANCE .30-06 1903-A3, 24” barrel, 5 shot, scant stock, all GI parts except the receiver, the action is very smooth, vg to excellent condition, should make a good shooter, not a C&R rifle $450.00 I am not an FFL holder and I won’t ship to any dealer that requires me to have one, I prefer USPS Money Orders, shipping for this rifle will be $35.00, a 3 day non … Led4thehed2. FMJ : 2771: 1.75 : Notes: Accuracy is the average of three, five-shot groups fired from a benchrest. Our Assessment: This National Ordinance Model 1903A3 was made between 1963 and 1970. The U.S. M1903 and M1903A3 “Springfield” rifles military issue bolt action rifles, used during World War I, World War II, and the Korean War. Rifles. It is a requirement that every used firearm is inspected by a qualified gunsmith before firing." CMP Program Headquarters P.O. Thanks for the replies and advice so far. 1903A3 with Sants Fe receiver safe to shoot? The 1903A3 would make a great addition to the gun safe of any military classics lover. 1903a3 Bolt Sleeve Lock New Old Stock Part Remington Qty 25 Pack. They also didn't depend on some guy's intuition to tell when the steel was "right" in the finishing processes. In the book The Springfield 1903 rifles by Lt. Col. William S. Brophy, USAR, Ret., he discusses the National Ordnance 03A3 rifles. Also ther is not much talk of springfields and custom rifles.Is this because of cost ,availability, etc. I'd fire a "low numbered" 03 long before I shot one of those! From what I've heard, some of those had headspace set at the longest it could go or a little longer. BIG difference in the finished (steel) product. In the book The Springfield 1903 rifles by Lt. Col. William S. Brophy, USAR, Ret., he discusses the National Ordnance 03A3 rifles. We have to worry that people this ignorant play with guns at all! They discovered the problem with using stress proof steel when a number of employees went recreational shooting in the desert during a weekend. The Nat. funny thing, its a Nat Ord...proves my point, thats the 4th one iv seen that was in bits, … Single-Action Revolvers. It consists of a post WWII National Ordnance receiver and mostly surplus USGI parts. national ordnance model 1903a3 30-06-springfield bolt action rifle description: this is a national ordnance model 1903a3 30-06-springfield bolt action rifle the barrel is stamped “ra bomb 7-44” bore of the 24" two-groove barrel is bright, shiny and excellent the over all finish of the metal is 97% the wood has some scuffs and dents here and there as shown in these many close up … Sporterized M1903 witrh Santa Fe barrel? ";s:7:"keyword";s:38:"national ordnance 1903a3 safe to shoot";s:5:"links";s:626:"<a href="http://www.happytokorea.net/i7udpc/c1fe32-python-append-to-json-array">Python Append To Json Array</a>,
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